CultureClub X · S06 E05
Dani Herrera, award-winning bilingual DEI consultant, trainer, and speaker joins us to break down how to read culture erosion before it surfaces in engagement scores, why DEI must be embedded rather than delegated, and how to rebuild trust after an organizational misstep.
TL;DR
Dani Herrera has spent two decades working at the intersection of talent, equity, and culture - and the first thing she will tell a people leader reviewing strong engagement numbers is: look deeper. As a bilingual Latina immigrant and award-winning DEI consultant, Dani has worked with companies across industries where the scores looked fine and the culture was in early decline.
The problem is not the data - it is what the data does not show.
The diagnostic she recommends goes beyond headline scores. The more important question is who is answering your surveys. Not the individual - but the demographic pattern. Are responses clustering in one group? Are entire functions, levels, or demographic segments conspicuously underrepresented?
If a particular demographic is consistently flagging the same leader or the same policy, that signal is far more meaningful than an aggregate number.
According to culture metrics research, organizations that segment survey response data by team and demographic are significantly more likely to detect at-risk pockets before they turn into attrition events.
We tend to look at numbers as the final word. The way that I like to look at it is just the beginning. It is the foundation for us to start identifying what might be happening or might not be happening.
The second category of signals Dani tracks is data that surveys cannot capture at all. An employee can report high engagement on a survey while being quietly disengaged from their manager, staying only because of a personal situation that makes leaving impractical right now. The survey answer and the lived reality are not the same thing.
Building listening channels that go beyond structured surveys - informal conversation, behavioral observation, and qualitative data - is how organizations get closer to the truth.
One of Dani's most repeatable insights is the analogy she uses when entering a C-suite or boardroom conversation about culture: culture is the software. Your organization is the hardware. You cannot run the computer without software. Strategy, finance, product - these are also software. But culture is the operating system that makes all of it run.
The moment you treat culture as a separate, optional add-on rather than an integrated system component, you start degrading the whole machine.
This framing matters because it removes the abstraction that allows boards to deprioritize culture investment. Companies that perform best on revenue, talent attraction, and client retention tend to be people-first organizations that build the business around their employees. That is not sentiment - it is a structural design choice.
Research on how strong company culture drives employee performance consistently shows that organizations with intentional cultures outperform their peers on key business metrics, including retention and productivity.
Culture is the software. You cannot run your computer without software. The moment that we start thinking about culture or DEI as a nice to have, as a checklist - that's when we fail the computer.
Dani is also candid about what holds CHROs back from making this case effectively. People functions frequently lack the air time at the board level that finance and product take for granted. And even when CHROs do have the floor, they sometimes fail to translate their work into business language that their colleagues can act on.
Dani's approach is to start by making sure everyone is on the same page about what culture and DEI actually mean before introducing strategy. Jargon does not build alignment - shared understanding does.
Dani Herrera's multi-signal diagnostic framework for identifying culture erosion before it appears in engagement scores - using behavioral data, PTO patterns, manager quality signals, and qualitative listening to build a complete picture of organizational health.
Do not read aggregate scores - read the response pattern. Who is answering, and who is not? Flag any demographic group that is significantly underrepresented or that is consistently pointing to a specific leader, process, or policy. Silence is a signal.
Track not just who is taking time off but who is not - and why. In unlimited PTO environments, chronically low uptake often signals managerial pressure. Rejected PTO requests, grouped by leader, reveal dysfunction that never surfaces in a survey.
Are managers having only project conversations, or do they also hold regular career growth and personal check-in conversations? Whether every person in a meeting knows what action to take afterward is a real-time indicator of managerial effectiveness and psychological safety.
Data analysts default to quantitative scores. Dani goes directly to written answers - the text responses people give when given the opportunity to explain. These answers contain the nuance, the specific frustration, and the early signal that a one-to-five scale cannot carry.
Exit interviews taken individually are anecdotes. Exit interviews analyzed for demographic patterns and recurring themes become a leading indicator. If a specific function, level, or identity group is overrepresented in exits, that is a structural signal - not a coincidence.
One of Dani's most direct arguments is about DEI ownership. The instinct to make DEI "everyone's responsibility" sounds inclusive but produces the opposite outcome in practice. When something is everyone's responsibility, it becomes no one's responsibility.
The work gets diluted, de-prioritized, and handed to people who lack the training to do it well - and in some cases, doing it poorly creates more harm than not doing it at all.
The architecture Dani recommends starts at the top. Leadership must genuinely understand what DEI is - not as a talking point, but as a strategic practice - before any broader rollout begins. That requires a dedicated, experienced DEI leader with direct access to the C-suite and ideally the board. From there, DEI gets embedded into processes and policies rather than being added on as a programming calendar.
ERGs and awareness events are a small, supplementary piece of a much larger system. Tracking DEI metrics rigorously is how organizations move from intention to accountability.
If DEI is everyone's responsibility, it is actually no one's responsibility. We want to make sure we have someone experienced in the area - collaborating directly with the C-suite and the board - because even today in 2026, many leaders do not really understand what this work is all about.
Dani emphasizes that this is not a one-day initiative or a seasonal campaign. DEI affects every internal communication, every product decision, every hiring process, and every team interaction.
Organizations that perform it as a periodic event rather than an integrated operating principle will see the gap between stated values and lived experience widen - and the employees who take stated values most seriously are always the first to leave when that gap becomes undeniable.
Addressing bias in the workplace systemically, not reactively, is what separates performative DEI from effective DEI.
See how CultureMonkey's employee trust surveys and demographic segmentation help CHROs identify which groups are disengaged - and act before high performers walk.
Trust, Dani argues, is the easiest thing to break and the hardest to rebuild. And the hardest part is not the acknowledgment or the apology - it is the sustained, transparent communication that must follow every step of the recovery process. Most organizations stop too early. They acknowledge the misstep, issue an apology, announce a corrective action, and then go quiet.
That silence reads as indifference, not progress.
The framework Dani applies to trust recovery has three core phases. First: acknowledge what happened, without qualification or defensiveness. Second: apologize specifically to whoever was harmed, not generically to "the organization." Third: take action to repair the harm - and simultaneously take action to ensure it cannot happen again.
The second half of that third step is what most organizations skip, because it requires structural change rather than a symbolic gesture.
We tend to believe that the moment we acknowledge the problem and apologize and start doing something about it, that's done. That is only half of the steps. You need to communicate what you are doing at every single step of the way - including when things are not going the way you planned.
The communication requirement extends beyond announcements. Leaders must update employees when a corrective step does not work as intended, explain the pivot, and name what they are doing next. That level of transparency is rare - and precisely because it is rare, it is powerful. It signals that the organization is operating in genuine partnership with its people rather than managing perceptions.
Building trust in the workplace requires consistency of action over time, not a single well-crafted statement.
One of the most consequential and underdiagnosed culture problems Dani encounters in her client work is the widespread conflation of opinions and feedback. Most managers, she observes, are giving opinions. Feedback that is genuinely useful is specific, observable, actionable, and time-bound.
Telling someone they "could do better next time" or that they "came across as a little too abrasive" is not feedback - it is an impression. And when impressions pass as feedback without being corrected, they normalize.
Normalization is the mechanism by which individual managerial habits become organizational culture. One manager's vague, subjective "feedback" becomes the standard for how people are evaluated across a team. That standard gets internalized by direct reports who then model the same behavior when they become managers.
Over time, an entire organization's feedback culture is shaped by a practice that no one consciously chose. Developmental feedback - structured, growth-oriented, and clearly actionable - requires training that most organizations do not invest in until the cultural damage is already visible.
Dani's diagnostic for this is straightforward: she looks not at the content of written feedback records, but at whether managers know how to give feedback at all. Does a framework exist? Is it followed? Are one-on-ones structured to include career conversations, or are they purely task reviews?
The quality of the one-on-one relationship between a manager and an employee, Dani argues, is where most culture issues actually begin - and where they can also be most effectively intercepted. Workplace culture is built or broken in these daily interactions long before any survey captures the signal.

About the guest
DEI Consultant, Trainer and Speaker
Dani Herrera (she/her/ella) Culture, DEI & Talent Consultant · Trainer & Speaker · Kay & Partners Dani Herrera is an award-winning, bilingual Latina immigrant, Talent and DEI Consultant, Trainer, and Speaker with 20 years of experience helping organizations become more intentionally inclusive and more effective. Known for her bold voice, cultural fluency, and real-world strategies, Dani's work lives at the intersection of talent, equity, and culture.
She has trained and advised hundreds of people and companies across industries on inclusive leadership, equitable hiring, ERG strategy, equitable talent practices, and inclusive company cultures. Dani started her career in recruiting and talent operations, moved into leading global talent acquisition and operations teams, and then transitioned into the space where talent, DEI, and culture intersect - the work she does today through her platform at deibydani.com.
Engagement scores are the starting point, not the conclusion. The most revealing signal is who is answering your surveys and whether certain demographic groups are consistently silent or flagging specific leaders or policies. Beyond surveys, watch for low PTO utilization, one-on-ones that never cover career growth, and exit interview patterns clustering around specific functions or identity groups. These signals show up long before scores shift.
Use the software analogy: the organization is the hardware, culture is the operating system. Strategy, finance, and product are also software - but culture is the layer that makes them all run. When boards treat culture as a nice-to-have, they are essentially choosing to run the computer without a fully functional OS. The companies that consistently outperform on revenue, retention, and talent attraction are people-first organizations that design the business around their employees.
You do not diffuse DEI responsibility - you build a clear ownership structure first. A dedicated, experienced DEI leader with direct C-suite and board access is the starting point. From there, DEI gets embedded into every process and policy: hiring, onboarding, promotions, internal communications. ERG programming is a small supplement to that larger system, not the system itself. Without structural ownership, DEI becomes no one's real priority.
Trust recovery requires three phases executed in sequence: acknowledge what happened without defensiveness, apologize specifically to whoever was harmed, and take action both to repair the damage and to prevent recurrence. The step most organizations skip is the fourth: communicating progress at every stage of recovery - including when a corrective action does not work as planned. Silence after an apology reads as indifference, not resolution.
Technology is only as effective as the intention behind it. Going into a survey platform to check a compliance box produces meaningless data. Entering with a specific diagnostic goal - understanding why engagement is shifting in a particular team or demographic - produces actionable insight. Global organizations also need full customization: questions designed for a US workforce often do not translate meaningfully to Latin American or European contexts. Define the goal first, then configure the tool to serve it.
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