S04 E07

Trust and Safety in a Manager-Centered Culture

Melissa DiMuro, Chief People and Culture Officer at Limbach, discusses managers' role in building trust and psychological safety. In S04 E07 of CultureClub X, she also highlights the importance of leader mental health and frequent pulse checks.

TL;DR

What you need to know from this episode

  • Trust is the currency of relationships. Melissa DiMuro builds it on three ingredients: fundamental respect that includes walking a day in employees' shoes, real time and authentic communication, and genuine care for the human outside the work relationship.
  • Culture happens in micro bits, not big programs. The manager drives the day-to-day experience, so DiMuro recommends weekly touch points at a minimum with every direct report, and keeps almost daily micro touches with her own team by text, email and quick calls.
  • Managers can be mental health first responders without being therapists. Normalize the conversation, be vulnerable about your own hard days, watch for changes in behavior, and know the resources so you can connect people to an expert.
  • Psychological safety is a prerequisite, not a perk. Without it, politics beats great work and people stop raising issues, and micromanagement quietly signals distrust because actions are bigger than words.
  • Technology is a supplement, never a replacement, for great leadership. Use surveys and predictive analytics to surface themes and leading indicators, then close the loop in person and keep telling the story of what changed because of employee feedback.

What actually creates a company's culture: the strategy deck at the top, or the conversation an employee has with their manager on an ordinary Tuesday? In this episode of Culture Club X, host Diana Blass puts that question to Melissa DiMuro, Chief People and Culture Officer at Limbach Holdings, where she leads the human capital strategy for over 1600 employees across the US.

Melissa brings 20 years of progressive HR leadership to the conversation, 15 of them at GE Aviation and three in the printing industry at Quebecor World. She joined Limbach about two years ago, her first CHRO role and her third industry, with a mandate to transform a 121 year old construction company into an ever evolving contemporary business.

The backdrop is stark. Construction faces over 1 million unfilled jobs over the next couple of years as retirements accelerate and the industry grows. Melissa's answer is a manager-centered culture: one where trust, psychological safety and frequent pulse checks live in the day-to-day behavior of frontline leaders rather than in policy documents.

What can managers do to make employees feel valued and trusted

For Melissa, trust is the underlying fundamental of everything, the currency of relationships. The first ingredient is respect: managers have to show that the work their people do matters, and they need to know what it is like to walk a day in their shoes. Early in her career, a leader made her actually do the manufacturing roles she was about to recruit for, and the lesson stuck.

The second ingredient is communication. People have to believe they are getting real time, transparent and authentic communication from their leader; the moment they sense a hidden agenda, trust starts to break down. The third is genuine care for the human outside the work relationship, knowing someone's family and ambitions, not just their output.

I think culture really happens in micro bits and small chunks and the manager is the one that drives the majority of that day-to-day.

Melissa DiMuro
Chief People and Culture Officer, Limbach Holdings, Inc

That conviction shapes her practical advice. She recommends weekly touch points at a minimum with every single direct report, and with her own team the rhythm is almost daily: little micro bits by text, email or a quick phone call, plus milestone conversations about career and development across the year. The micro engagement is where people see whether a manager is walking the talk on company values.

How can managers become first responders for employee mental health

Limbach is a safety-committed construction business, and Melissa argues that mental safety deserves the same seriousness as physical safety. The company weaves wellbeing into its Hearts and Minds safety program, which looks beyond compliance to care for the entire individual, so raising a mental health concern is not taboo.

She also asks leaders to be a bit vulnerable. Having been through her own struggles, she believes managers should admit that not every day is a great day and that it is okay to need help, leading by example. Because a manager sees people day in and day out, they are often the first, aside from family, to notice changes in behavior.

Crucially, managers do not need to be trained therapists. Their job is to know the resources and make the connection to an expert while showing care. Remote and hybrid work has made cues harder to read and has exacerbated underlying struggles, but Melissa sees more of it surfacing precisely because workplaces are becoming safer places to talk. In construction, one of the leading industries for suicides, that shift matters enormously.

Why the frontline manager is the toughest role in the organization

Melissa is blunt about the load managers carry: pressure coming down from the hierarchy, employee challenges coming up, and customer commitments to deliver on. She calls the frontline leader by far the toughest role that exists, a huge responsibility and a huge privilege, and acknowledges that great leaders try to do it all when the reality is they cannot.

Her prescription starts with investing in leaders' own mental health: real time off with coverage plans in place, workload conversations that are safe to have, and executives who are willing to stop, push out or simplify work. Leadership teams also owe managers clearer priorities, because everything funnels through the frontline leader and everything can feel essential.

The last piece is skills. Organizations promote great individual contributors and then fail to teach them how to manage. Limbach's response is a three-stage leadership development series, cohort-based monthly onboarding with a curated first week, 30, 60, 90 day plans, buddies and C-suite meetings, an approach that recently earned external recognition for training and development. The same discipline is now being applied to manager readiness.

Why psychological safety is a prerequisite for two-way trust

When Melissa entered the field, psychological safety was dismissed as a warm and fuzzy nice-to-have. She is glad the concept has come back, because in her view real trust cannot exist without it. Safety, she stresses, is not just freedom from harm but the ability to be your whole self at work.

Psychological safety to me is a prerequisite. I don't think you can have real trust without that.

Melissa DiMuro
Chief People and Culture Officer, Limbach Holdings, Inc

Without that foundation, ineffectiveness creeps in everywhere: politics takes precedent over great work, people stop raising issues because they are afraid, and posturing replaces problem solving. The antidote sits with the manager, who has to create an open environment where their way is not the only way and people are engaged in decisions. It is the same ground CultureMonkey explores in its guide to psychological safety at work.

Two-way trust also dies by micromanagement. Saying "I trust you" while reviewing work three more times before it goes out sends the opposite signal, and those small things add up. In a fully dispersed company like Limbach, the currency of trust changes by setting: boots on the ground and walking job sites in the field, intentional one-on-ones, surveys and roundtables for virtual teams. Different tools, same human desire to matter to your leader.

Do manager-driven microcultures set the real company culture

Melissa applies a dinner table test. When employees go home, they are not typically talking about the CEO; they are talking about their manager and their colleagues. That manager and team experience is the company and is the culture, while the executive team's job is to minimize any disconnect and build systems that reinforce the right behaviors.

Frequent pulse checks fit that reality. Newer generations entering the workforce want real-time signals about whether they are doing the right thing, not one big annual review. And managers set the tone by behavior, not announcements: as a leader you are on stage whether you wanted to be or not, watched every single day, even when you think nobody is looking.

As companies grow and acquire, microcultures inevitably creep in, and Melissa does not fight them all. Limbach holds its core values as non-negotiables, to the point of refusing to acquire a company that does not share them. Within that range, teams get the freedom to feel unique and to be who they need to be to perform.

Can technology deliver on culture without replacing the human touch

Melissa is no technology skeptic; she is implementing a whole new human capital management system this year to take retention to the next level. Predictive analytics help at the macro level, where a leader cannot hold one-on-one relationships with an entire population, by surfacing themes, trends and leading indicators in retention data.

Her caveat is firm: for the average leader, technology is supplementation, not a replacement for what great leaders need to be doing. No manager should wait for a system to announce a retention problem. Tools must also earn adoption by engaging end users, measuring the right things frequently enough to see whether an action actually worked.

That philosophy shows in how Limbach runs surveys. After digesting the data, the team goes back out to branches with the themes it heard and asks whether the proposed actions really solve the challenge, an iterative dialogue where employees build the culture with the company rather than just exchanging information. It is a working example of a healthy employee feedback loop.

You have to continue to tell the story about here's what you said, here's what we chose to do, here was the impact it had.

Melissa DiMuro
Chief People and Culture Officer, Limbach Holdings, Inc

Acting on feedback is not enough, because people join and leave constantly and may never have seen the original survey. Leaders have to keep narrating: here is what you said, here is what we chose to do, here is the impact, and here is your next opportunity to speak. Otherwise, as Melissa puts it, you did what they asked, but nobody knows about it, and the impact of the action is lost.

What a manager-centered culture means for employee listening

Across every topic in this conversation, one thread holds: culture happens in micro bits, and the manager drives the majority of it. Trust, mental health support, psychological safety and even technology adoption all come down to what frontline leaders do daily, which means listening to employees has to be continuous, not an annual event.

That is exactly the premise behind Culture Club X's home, CultureMonkey, an employee listening platform built to help people leaders run frequent pulse checks, read sentiment across dispersed teams and close the loop visibly. As Melissa's survey process shows, the technology only matters when it helps managers have better human conversations, and that is the standard any listening program should hold itself to.

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About the guest

Melissa DiMuro

Chief People and Culture Officer at Limbach Holdings, Inc

Melissa DiMuro is the Chief People and Culture Officer at Limbach Holdings, Inc, where she leads the human capital strategy for over 1600 employees across the US, spanning talent management, recruitment, succession, leadership development, workforce planning, total rewards and culture. She has 20 years of progressive leadership experience in HR, 15 of which were spent at GE Aviation, a leading global provider of aircraft engines and aviation systems, plus three years in the printing industry at Quebecor World.

She is a graduate of the Human Resources Leadership Program at GE and an alumna of the University of Cincinnati, and she sits on the board of the Spring of Tampa Bay. DiMuro joined Limbach about two years ago in her first CHRO role, and is a business leader with a passion for organizational transformation, culture evolution and talent strategies.

Full episode transcript

Season 04, Episode 07 · Melissa DiMuro with Diana Blass · 39 min

Frequently asked questions

What can managers do to build trust with their employees?

Melissa DiMuro points to three foundations. First, respect: show that the work people do matters and understand what it is like to walk a day in their shoes. Second, communication that is real time, transparent and authentic, because trust breaks down the moment employees sense a leader is holding back or has another agenda.

Third, genuine care for the person outside the work relationship. The best leaders know their people as human beings, including their families and what they want beyond the day job.

How often should managers check in with their team members?

DiMuro recommends weekly touch points at a minimum with every single person who works for you. With her own team she is closer to daily: small micro touches by text, email or a quick phone call, supplemented by milestone conversations about career and development through the year.

She notes that newer generations entering the workforce want more real-time feedback on whether they are doing the right thing, rather than one big annual review.

How can managers support employee mental health without being therapists?

Normalize the conversation so mental health is not taboo; Limbach weaves it into its Hearts and Minds safety program, treating mental safety as seriously as physical safety. Leaders should also be a bit vulnerable and admit that not every day is a great day and that it is okay to need help.

From there, watch for changes in behavior, since a manager sees people every day, and know your resources. You do not have to be the expert; you just have to make the connection to one and show that you care.

What causes manager burnout and how can organizations reduce it?

DiMuro calls the frontline leader by far the toughest role that exists: pressure from above, employee challenges below, and customer delivery all funnel through it. Organizations should invest in leaders' mental health with real time off backed by coverage plans, adjust workloads openly, and have executives clarify what is truly essential.

They also need to skill managers properly. Promoting great individual contributors without training them to manage leaves them overwhelmed, which is why Limbach runs a three-stage leadership development series and structured manager readiness onboarding.

Should companies act on employee survey results immediately?

Not in one silent step. Limbach digests the survey data, then goes back out to its branches with the themes it heard and asks whether the proposed actions really solve the challenge, turning the survey into an iterative dialogue where employees build the culture with the company.

Taking action alone is not enough either. Because people are always coming and going, leaders must keep telling the story: here is what you said, here is what we did, here is the impact, and here is your next chance to be heard.